If you believe that the stock market is in a bubble, you have lots of company. You have long-time market watchers, the New York Times and even a Nobel Prize winner in your camp. But what exactly is a bubble? How can you tell if you are in one? And if you do believe you are in a bubble, what is your best course of action? Not only are these questions difficult to answer, but the answers can vary across markets, investors and time.
The Bubble Machine
Every market has a bubble machine, though it is less active in some periods than others, and that machine creates an ecosystem of metrics and experts, as well as warnings about bubbles about to burst, corrections to come and actions to take to protect yourself against the consequences. In periods like the current one, when the bubble machine is in over drive and you are confronted by "bubblers" with varying credibilities, motives and methods, you may find it useful to first categorize them into the following groups.
- Doomsday Bubblers have been warning us that the stock market is in a bubble for as long as you have known them, and either want you to keep your entire portfolio in cash or in gold (or bitcoins). They remind me of this character from Winnie the Pooh and their theme seems to be that stocks are always over valued.
- Knee Jerk Bubblers go into hibernation in bear markets but become active as stocks start to rise and become increasingly agitated, the more they go up. They are the Bobblehead dolls of the bubble universe, convinced that if stocks have gone up a lot or for a long period, they are poised for a correction.
- Armchair Psychiatrist Bubblers use subtle or not-so-subtle psychological clues from their surroundings to make judgments about bubbles forming and bursting. Freudian in their thinking, they are convinced that any mention of stocks by shoeshine boys, cab drivers or mothers-in-law is a sure sign of a bubble.
- Conspiratorial Bubblers believe that bubbles are created by small group of evil people who plan to profit from them, with the Illuminati, hedge funds, Goldman Sachs and the Federal Reserve as prime suspects. Paranoid and ever-watchful, they are convinced that stocks are manipulated by larger and more powerful forces and that we are all helpless in the face of this darkness.
- Righteous Bubblers draw on a puritanical streak to argue that if investors are having too much fun (because stocks are going up), they have to be punished with a market crash. As the Flagellants in the bubble world, they whip themselves into a frenzy, especially during market booms.
- Rational Bubblers uses market metrics that are both intuitive and widely used, note their divergence from historical norms and argue for a correction back to the average. Viewing themselves as smarter than the rest of us and also as the voices of reason, they view their metrics as infallible and mean reversion in markets as immutable.
There are three things to keep in mind about bubblers. The first is that bubblers will receive disproportionate attention in the media, for the same reasons that a reality show about a dysfunctional family will have higher ratings than one about a more normal family. The second is that even the most misguided bubblers will be right at some point in time, just as a broken clock is right twice every day. The third is that being right is often the worst thing that can happen to bubblers, because it seems to feed into the conviction that they are always right and leads to increasingly bizarre predictions. It is no coincidence that every market correction in history has created its gurus (who called that correction right) and those gurus have almost always found a way to discredit themselves ahead of the next one.
Defining a Bubble
What is a bubble? The lazy definition is that any time you see a large market correction, it is the result of a bubble bursting, but that is neither a useful definition, nor is it true. To me, a bubble reflects a market disconnect from fundamentals, where prices go up steeply, with no help from the fundamentals. The best way of illustrating this is to go back to an intrinsic value model, where the value of stocks can be written as a function of three fundamentals: the base year cash flows that investors are receiving, the expected growth in these cash flows and the risk in the cash flows:
If cash flows increase, growth rates surge, risk free rates drop or macroeconomic risk subsides, stocks should go up, and sometimes steeply, and there is no bubble. At the other extreme, if stock prices go up as cash flows decrease, growth rates become more negative and risk free rates and equity risk increase, you have a bubble. It is far more likely, though, that you will be faced with a more ambiguous combination, where shifts in one or more fundamentals (higher growth, higher cash flows, a lower risk free rate or lower macroeconomic risk) may explain the increase in stock prices and you will have to make judgments on whether the increase is larger than warranted.
Detecting a Bubble
The benefits of being able to detect a bubble, when you are in in its midst rather than after it bursts, is that you may be able to protect yourself from its consequences. But are there any mechanisms that detect bubbles? And if they exist, how well do they work?
a. PE and variants
The most widely used metric for detecting bubbles is the price earnings (PE) ratio, with variants thereof that claim to improve its predictive power. Thus, while the conventional PE ratio is estimated by dividing the current price (or index level) by earnings in the last year or twelve months, you could consider at least three modifications. The first is to clean up earnings removing what you view as extraordinary or non-operating items to come up with a better measure of operating earnings. In 2002, in the aftermath of accounting scandals, S&P started computing core earnings for US companies which can differ from reported earnings significantly. The second is to average earnings over a longer period (say five to ten years) to remove the year-to-year volatility in earnings. The third is to adjust the earnings from prior periods for inflation to get a inflation-consistent or real PE ratio. In fact, Robert Shiller has a time series of PE ratios for US stocks stretching back to 1871, that uses normalized, inflation-adjusted earnings.
In the graph below, I report on the time trends between 1969 and 2013 in four variants of the PE ratios, a PE using trailing 12 month earnings (PE), a PE based upon the average earnings over the previous ten years (Normalized PE), a PE based upon my estimates of inflation-adjusted average earnings over the prior ten years (My CAPE) and the Shiller PE.
In the graph below, I report on the time trends between 1969 and 2013 in four variants of the PE ratios, a PE using trailing 12 month earnings (PE), a PE based upon the average earnings over the previous ten years (Normalized PE), a PE based upon my estimates of inflation-adjusted average earnings over the prior ten years (My CAPE) and the Shiller PE.
Normalized PE used average earnings over last 10 years & My CAPE uses my inflation adjusted normalized earnings. Shiller PE is as reported in his datasets |
While the Shiller PE has become the primary weapon wielded by those who believe that we are in a bubble, perhaps because of the pedigree of its creator, the reality is that all four measures of PE move together much of the time, with a correlation of close to 90%. (If you are wondering why my time series starts in 1969, I use the S&P 500 and earnings on the index and I was unable to get reliable numbers for the latter prior to 1960. Since I need ten years of earnings to get my normalized values, my first estimates are therefore in 1969.)
To examine whether any of these PE measures do a good job of predicting future stock returns and thus market crashes, I computed the correlation of each PE measure with annual returns on the S&P 500 over one-year, two-year and three-year periods following the computation.
First, the negative correlation values indicate that higher PE ratios today are predictive of lower stock returns in the future. Second, that correlation is weak with one-year forward returns (notice that none of the t statistics are significant), become stronger with two-year returns and strongest with three-year returns. Third, there is little in this table to indicate that normalizing or inflation adjusting the PE ratio does much in terms of improving its use in prediction, since the conventional PE ratio has the highest correlation with returns over time periods
T statistics in italics below each correlation; numbers greater than 2.42 indicate significance at 2% level |
Defenders of the PE or one its variants will undoubtedly argue that you don't make money on correlations and that the use of PE is in detecting when stocks are over or under price. For instance, one rule of thumb suggests that a Shiller PE above 15 would indicate an over valued market, but that rule would have kept you out of US equities since 1988. To create a rule that is more reflecting of the 1969-2013 time period, I computed the 25th percentile, the median and the 75th percentile of each of the PE ratio measures for this period.
PE measures: 1969-2013 |
I then broke my sample down into four quartile classes with each PE ratio, from lowest to highest, and computed the annual stock market returns in the years following:
One-year and Two-year stock returns |
The predictive power improves for PE ratios with this test, since returns in the years following high PE ratios are consistently lower than returns following low PE ratios. Normalizing the earnings does help, but more in detecting when stocks are cheap than when they are expensive. Finally, the inflation adjustment does nothing to improve predictive returns.
Note, though, that this test is biased by the fact that the quartiles were created using data from the period on which the test is run. Thus, the conclusion that you can draw from this table is that if you had known, in 1969, what the distribution of PE ratios for the S&P 500 would look like for the next 45 years (which would suggest amazing foresight on your part), you could have made money by buying when PE ratios were in the bottom quartile of the distribution and selling in the top quartile.
b. EP Ratios and Interest Rates
One of the biggest perils of using the level of PE ratios as an indicator of stock market pricing, as we have in the last section, is that it ignores the level of interest rates. If interest rates are lower, PE ratios should be higher and ignoring that relationship will lead us to conclude far too frequently (and erroneously) that stocks are over priced in low-interest rate environments. The link between PE ratios and interest rates is best illustrated by looking at how the EP ratio (the inverse of the PE ratio) moves with the T.Bond rate over time. In the figure below, I graph the movements of all four variants of EP ratios as the T.Bond rates changes between 1969 and 2013:
It is clear that EP ratios are high when interest rates are high and low when interest rates are low. In fact, not controlling for the level of interest rates when comparing PE ratios for a market over time is an exercise in futility.
This insight is not new and is the basis for the Fed Model, which looks at the spread between the EP ratio and the T.Bond rate. The premise of the model is that stocks are cheap when the EP ratio exceeds T.Bond rates and expensive when it is lower. To evaluate the predictive power of this spread, I classified the years between 1969 and 2013 into four quartiles, based upon the level of the spread, and computed the returns in the years after (one and two-year horizons):
The results are murkier, but for the most part, stock returns are higher when the EP ratio exceeds the T.Bond rate.
c. Intrinsic Value
Both PE ratios and EP ratio spreads (like the Fed Model) can be faulted for looking at only part of the value picture. A fuller analysis would require us to look at all of the drivers of value, and that can be done in an intrinsic value model. In the picture below, I attempt to do so on June 14, 2014:
Intrinsic valuation of S&P 500: June 2014 |
It is true that this intrinsic value is a function of my assumptions, including the growth rate and the implied equity risk premium. You are welcome to download the spreadsheet and try your own variations.
If your concern is that I have used too low an equity risk premium, you can solve, as I do at the start of each month, for an implied equity risk premium (by looking for that equity risk premium that will give you the current index level) and then comparing that value to historical values for that input:
The current implied ERP of 4.99% is well above the historic average and median and it clearly is much higher than the 2.05% that prevailed at the end of 1999.
Are we in a bubble?
In the table below, I summarize where the market stands today on each of the metrics that I discussed in the last section:
If you focus on PE ratios, it is true the current levels in the market put it in the danger zone, given past history. However, bringing the level of interest rates into the measure (in the EP spreads) reverses the diagnosis, since stocks look under valued on these measures. Finally, expanding the assessment to look at growth and risk as well in the intrinsic value and ERP measures reinforces suggests that stocks are fairly valued.
While there are some who are adamant in their belief that the market is in a bubble, I remain unconvinced, especially given the level of rates today. To those who argue that earnings could drop, growth could turn negative, interest rates could go up or that there could be another global crisis lurking around the corner, has there ever been a point in time in stock market history where these concerns have not existed? And even if they do exist, the reason we demand an equity risk premium in the first place is for the uncertainty that we feel about macroeconomic variables driving value.
Bubble Belief to Bubble Action: The Trade Off
While I believe that the risk that we are in a bubble is over stated by PE ratio comparisons, you may come to a very different conclusion. Even if you do, though, should you act on that belief? The answer is not clear cut, since there are two ways you can respond to a bubble. The first, which I will term the passive defense, is to reduce the amount of your portfolio allocated to equity to a lower number than you would normally hold (given your age, liquidity needs and risk aversion). The second which I term the active defense is to try to profit off the market correction by selling short (or buying puts). The trade off is then between the cost and the benefit of acting:
- The cost of acting: If you decide to act on a bubble, there is a cost. With the passive defense, the money that you take out of equities has to be invested somewhere safe (earning a risk free rate, or something close to it) and if the correction does not happen, you will lose the return premium you would have earned by investing stocks. With an active defense, the cost of being wrong about the correction is even greater since your losses will increase in direct proportion with how well stocks continue to do. (Note that using derivatives to protect yourself against market corrections or for speculation will deliver variants of these defenses.)
- The benefit of acting: If you are right about the bubble and a correction occurs, there is a payoff to acting. With the passive defense, you protect your investment (or at least that portion that you shift out of equities) from the drop. With the active defense, you profit from the drop, with the magnitude of your profits increasing with the size of the correction.
The trade off then becomes a function of three variables: how certain you feel about the existence of a bubble, how big a correction you see occurring as a result of the bubble bursting and how soon you see the correction coming.
To illustrate the trade off, consider a simple (perhaps simplistic) scenario, where you are fully invested in equities and believe that there is 20% probability of a market correction (which you expect to be 40%) occurring in 2 years. In addition, let's assume that the expected return on stocks in a normal year (no bubble) is 7.51% annually and that the expected annual return if a bubble exists will be 9% annually, until the bubble bursts. In the table below, I have listed the payoffs to doing nothing (staying 100% in equities) as well as a passive defense (where you sell all your equity and go invest in a risk free asset earning .5%) and an active defense (where you sell short on equities and invest the proceeds in a risk free asset):
If you remain invested in equities (do nothing), even allowing for the market correction of 40% at the end of year 2, your expected value is $1.0672 at the end of the period. With a passive defense, you earn the risk free rate of 0.5% a year, for two years, and the end value for your portfolio is just slightly in excess of $1.01. With an active defense, where you sell short and invest int he risk free rate, your portfolio will increase to $1.3072, if a correction occurs, but the expected value of your portfolio is only $0.9528, which is $0.1144 less than your do-nothing strategy.
If you feel absolute conviction about the existence of a bubble and see a large correction coming immediately or very soon, it clearly pays to act on bubbles and to do so with an active defense. However, that trade off tilts towards inaction as uncertainty about the existence of the bubble increases, its expected magnitude decreases and the longer you will have to wait for the correction to occur. I know that I am pushing my luck here but I tried to assess the trade off in a spreadsheet, where based upon your inputs on these variables, I estimate the net benefit of acting on a bubble for the passive act of moving all of your equity investment into a risk free alternative:
To illustrate the trade off, consider a simple (perhaps simplistic) scenario, where you are fully invested in equities and believe that there is 20% probability of a market correction (which you expect to be 40%) occurring in 2 years. In addition, let's assume that the expected return on stocks in a normal year (no bubble) is 7.51% annually and that the expected annual return if a bubble exists will be 9% annually, until the bubble bursts. In the table below, I have listed the payoffs to doing nothing (staying 100% in equities) as well as a passive defense (where you sell all your equity and go invest in a risk free asset earning .5%) and an active defense (where you sell short on equities and invest the proceeds in a risk free asset):
Future value of portfolio in 2 years (when correction occurs) |
If you feel absolute conviction about the existence of a bubble and see a large correction coming immediately or very soon, it clearly pays to act on bubbles and to do so with an active defense. However, that trade off tilts towards inaction as uncertainty about the existence of the bubble increases, its expected magnitude decreases and the longer you will have to wait for the correction to occur. I know that I am pushing my luck here but I tried to assess the trade off in a spreadsheet, where based upon your inputs on these variables, I estimate the net benefit of acting on a bubble for the passive act of moving all of your equity investment into a risk free alternative:
Payoff to Passive Defense against Bubble (Correction of 40% in 2 years) |
On a personal note, I have never found a metric or metrics that allow me to have the combination of conviction that a bubble exists, that the correction will be large enough and/or that the correction will happen within a reasonable time frame, to be a market timer. Hence, I don't try! You may have a better metric than I do and if it yields more conclusive results than mine, you should be a market timer.
Bubblenomics: My perspective
It is extremely dangerous to disagree with a Nobel prize winner, and even more so, to disagree with two in the same post, but I am going to risk it in this closing section:
- There will always be bubbles: Disagreeing with Gene Fama, I believe that bubbles are part and parcel of financial markets, because investors are human. More data and computerized trading will not make bubbles a thing of the past because data is just as often an instrument for our behavioral foibles as it is an antidote to them and computer algorithms are created by human programmers.
- But bubbles are not as common as we think they are: Parting ways with Robert Shiller, I would propose that bubbles occur infrequently and that they are not always irrational. Most market corrections are rational adjustments to real world shifts and not bubbles bursting and even the most egregious bubbles have rational cores.
- Bubbles are more clearly visible in the rear view mirror: While bubbles always look obvious in hindsight, it is far less obvious when you are in the midst of a bubble.
- Bubbles are not all bad: Bubbles do create damage but they do create change, often for the better. I do know that the much maligned dot-com bubble changed the way we live and do business. In fact, I agree with David Landes, an economic historian, when he asserts that "in this world, the optimists have it, not because they are always right, but because they are positive. Even when wrong, they are positive, and that is the way of achievement, correction, improvement, and success. Educated, eyes-open optimism pays; pessimism can only offer the empty consolation of being right." In market terms, I would rather have a market that is dominated by irrationally exuberant investors than one where prices are set by actuaries. Thus, while I would not invest in Tesla, Twitter or Uber at their existing prices, I am grateful that companies like these exist.
- Doing nothing is often the best response to a bubble: The most rational response to a bubble is to often not change the way you invest. If you believe, as I do, that it is difficult to diagnose when you are in a bubble and if you are in one, to figure when and how it will dissipate, the most sensible response to the fear of a bubble is to not change your asset allocation or investment philosophy. Conversely, if you feel certain about both the existence of a bubble and how it will burst, you may want to see if your certitude is warranted given your metric.
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Raw Data used to estimate PE and EP ratios
PE, EP and other ratios by year: 1969-2013
Intrinsic value for S&P 500: June 14, 2014
Trade off on acting on bubbles
Raw Data used to estimate PE and EP ratios
PE, EP and other ratios by year: 1969-2013
Intrinsic value for S&P 500: June 14, 2014
Trade off on acting on bubbles
I agree with five observations fully. I also think that these apply to crashes after appropriate word changes.
ReplyDeleteI would think that somewhere there is a divine rod that would warn of impending crash! Unfortunately, I do not have one.
Excellent read. Thank you!
Excellently laid out. Just a comment - when I think on similar lines about the movement of sectoral indices(Industrials, Auto etc) in India after the new government's arrival, the key question I ask myself is whether the revised "expectations" of growth(for that sector), inflation ( and hence interest rates) and the risk tolerance are within range or not ) to judge if the present run up in some sectors is a bubble or not. Wish I had easy access to long run sectoral data in India of the sort you have used to quantify my thinking. Any suggestions where to look will be most appreciated. Thanks
ReplyDeleteThere is/was a well-known fund manager who looked for two standard deviations from the norm, IIRC.
ReplyDeleteObviously, you will miss many corrections, and may even act too early. Nevertheless, you should probably view PEs outside their 2 sd as being highly abnormal, with markets ripe for correction.
I doubt that we have such a situation with PEs at the moment, so that no clear signal is being given in that direction.
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When looking at EP ratios vs. interest rates, are you using real or nominal interest rates?
ReplyDeleteI had always thought that inflation would increase both the interest rate and growth rate, and would thus be a wash, making the real interest rate the only relevant metric to compare to EP ratios.
Interested to hear your thoughts.
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Hi Sir
ReplyDeleteSince we are on the topic of bubbles and stock market overvaluation or rather overvaluation of specific sectors, I would like to know how good a strategy it is for the companies to use their overvalued stock to make the acquisition of a fledgling technology? As a company it shouldn't hurt me to use the overvalued curency to buy the growth even if looks expensive on th face of it!! Would like to have your comment on this
Dear Prof - seek a couple of clarfications. Is it possible that the market ERP does not change much, but sector ERP changes. For instance when large investors indulge in sector rotation for no obvious growth reasons for that sector and the overall market is also near flat. If such a sector rotation happens,, does it mean that sectoral betas are getting reappraised
ReplyDelete1.Conceptually, does the latter mean that at a sectoral level forward looking estimates of operating leverage and/or financial leverage are getting reset so the sector beta is getting reset?
2. Secondly for the sector from which money is diverted away, could it be there is a misappraisal since the growth, operating leverage, financial leverage etc of that sector may be totally unrevised & prices fall only for reasons of fund diversion. In a sense, does relative valuation then enter intrinsic valuation through the beta reappraisals?
Just trying to understand how these thoughts hang together. Pl let me know if I am on the right track. Thanks
I'm not sure why quartiles would be the best angle to explore bubbles. Also, it would be interesting if you looked at predicting returns over alonger time horizon.
ReplyDeleteI think it can make sense to avoid sectors you see a bubble in. For example, during the tech bubble and housing bubble, you may have suspected the bubbles existed. I don't think it would've been wrong to avoid tech, housing, financials, etc. during that time. You had many other sectors you could invest in. Right now some people believe there's a bubble in China and I don't think it's a bad idea to cut your iron ore miners and Chinese banks if you want to manage that risk.
ReplyDeleteThank you professor for this awesome article. I really had to chuckle hard with your characterization of types of "bubble heads". so true though!
ReplyDeleteThank you professor for this awesome article. I really had to chuckle hard with your characterization of types of "bubble heads". so true though!
ReplyDeleteIn response to some of the comments, I think that you can have bubbles in individual sectors, where the trade off shifts towards action for two reasons. The first is the cost of acting becomes lower. Rather than settle for the risk free rate as your return, you get the return in the rest of the stock market. Second, your odds of correction increase, simply because the bubble sector at some point in time stands out so much from the rest of the market that denial becomes impossible.
ReplyDeleteOn the question of nominal versus real interest rates, I am using nominal rates and it may well be worth looking at real rates but you would then have to also look at real growth.
I was unaware with the fact that Rational Babblers uses market metrics that are both intuitive and widely used, note their divergence from historical norms and argue for a correction back to the average.
ReplyDeleteGreat stuff. Thank you so much for sharing.
ReplyDeleteThanks for applying logic to an issue which has a lot of opinion and view circulating. Fear of loss may drive us to worry about bubbles and their bursting.
ReplyDeleteIs there an issue about availability of credit which also drives us to encourage investment and overvaluation which we then worry will evaporate when the lending is eined in?
Many thanks
Professor, regarding the intrinsic value calculation, if Buybacks are concurrent with increased leverage to fund them, will that not change the equity risk premium?
ReplyDeleteYes. If buybacks were predominantly funded with debt, the answer is yes, but they are not.
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ReplyDeleteI liked your fair analysis of the US listed tech and internet stocks. would you spare a sight on the European stocks especially put them in comparison with the US ones. I think it would be interesting to see: 1. what is the difference in business model. 2. what is the potential of a cross- continent merger/ acquisition. Out of a selfish reason that I am in Germany, I have some ideas: Linkedin vs Xing, ASOS vs. Zalando(not yet listed)… ...
"Buybacks accrue to owners."
ReplyDeleteOnly if you're considering buybacks net of issuance. Historically, the market has been diluted by about 2%/year due to secondary offerings, option grants, etc. In recent years, the dilution has been closer to zero due to higher buyback rates.
In any case, your ERP calculation doesn't appear to consider NET buybacks.
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Loved your descriptions of the different bubblers, so true for all of them. Thanks for sharing professor!
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Looking at T-bills as an alternative to EP makes allot of sense.
ReplyDeleteBut, the level of return from T-bills is the lowest in history (history = the graph you are using to make your point). In my opinion that is a significant point because when T-bills stop being an "interchangeable" product to EP they stop being a benchmark as well (pushing all the potential "costumers" to other markets - like stocks).
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ReplyDeleteDoesn't your post leave out an important dimension - the rapid monetary expansion over the past few years. The risk called out by many of "bubblers" is based on unknown/unintended consequences of that rapid expansion of monetary base. RISK is that it leads to inflation taking off or a panic when Fed tries to normalize the Monetary policy . The operative word being 'risk' - i don't think it is an eventuality. None of the formulas you have presented captures this risk.
Isn't it rather disingenuous to attribute a call of a "bubble" to Prof Schiller when he is rather nuanced and talks about risks . In the CNBC video you have linked, he only refers to "little bubbly" and have a few caveats before and after that sentence.
I am sure that you are aware that there are many pundits who are perma bears as there are perma bulls. perhaps derogatory adjectives (are there any good/rational of 'bubblers' ? in your mind ) is not the best start to have an objective analysis .
I usually like your analysis - even if i occasionally disagree with your conclusion. In this case , I happen to agree with your conclusion that there is no "big bubble" in markets - but rather disappointed with your analysis.
My view that there is no bubble is contingent (and is fairly subjective opinion) that Fed with help from other Institutions in the US can normalize monetary policy without very adverse impacts. There is a certain element of faith in US Institutions my subjective assessment, based on history and other productivity boosters ( like fracking etc.,)- faith, of course doesn't fit in your formula
Thanks for applying logic to an issue which has a lot of opinion and view circulating. Fear of loss may drive us to worry about bubbles and their bursting.
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Dear Aswath,
ReplyDeleteLike your analysis. Don't you think in the last 3.5 decades USA as a country has transformed from a economy perspective - more matured ?
In other words if you have a buy target for a PE range or sell target for a PE range that range changes when the country goes through shift...
Instead of completely long only investor if one invests in low PE range and sells at high PE range on the index funds it gives a great outperformance over long term....
I compared this with India Sensex from 1991 to 2012... The regular investor gets a return of 11 % and the PE based investor gets 19% at a low risk as he is not invested all the time in the market....
The only insight i miss is how does one catch the "Shift in PEs"
Thanks
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Is it possible that P/E ratio isn't the best metric for evaluating whether or not we are in a bubble? Earnings are in part based on revenue. Revenue is susceptible to fluctuation based on consumer or business:(i) savings, (ii) investment alternatives to consumption or expense, and (iii) view of future income - all of which would be highly correlated with a market correction.
ReplyDeleteI think the problem with this analysis is that PE is a better predictor of a bubble than ERP. In 2000, for instance, the Implied ERP was 2.87, but we still had a bubble -- I guess combining both these might be able to better predict a bubble.
ReplyDeleteProfessor I agree with what you've written about P/E E/P not showing the full picture but curious to know why you did not show future returns based on ERP quartiles... ?
ReplyDeleteIt's great to see someone else disagreeing with Fama.
ReplyDeleteWe're a little bit skeptical that bubbles can be rational though.